Male vs female lawyers going for partner- men on average put in far more billable hours. In defending itself from Damone’s firing lawsuit,Google found some over paying of the few female coders. I flatly do not believe in equal coding ability, unlike my belief in equal piano or violin playing. Guitar playing talent might be equal, but hours practicing hugely skew for guys. The male Bell curves have lower peaks and longer tails, so more at top & bottom. Biggest social problem is too few male 6-12 grade teachers, seldom mentioned, nor here.
"Male-majority industries continue to discriminate against women. In Silicon Valley this year, women repeatedly detailed how male programmers were given the benefit of the doubt, while their codes were endlessly scrutinised. They were presumed incompetent."
Do you have examples for that? I read reports that it's hard to prove anti-women bias in STEM.
"Chinese women are thriving in business, but are still blamed for their own rapes. “Most victims of sexual assault have failed to protect themselves adequately. Women must remember that flies do not bite an uncracked egg” - declares the He Nan government (Zheng 2022). Totaliarianism has suppressed feminist dissent, entrenched impunity for male violence, and perpetuated rape myths. Ashamed women suffer in silence, sometimes turning to suicide”.??
Feminist dissent is alive and well in China, and far healthier than our own version.
Mao first came to public attention as a teenager, when he wrote a heartbreaking account of a local girl's decision to kill herself rather than marry a rich neighbor. The 1954 constitution, which he drafted, stipulated equality of men and women. The following year he promoted the first female combat major general in history (and she earned it!). He was always nagging his colleagues about women's status.
Today, the gals are fine. Those 3 million missing girls have been found when a nationwide Education Ministry headcount revealed 3 million more girls than were registered at the records office. Everyone just shrugged and moved on.
Politics? No sane mother, let alone grandmother, wants her daughter on the political leadership track. To get onto the track, she must graduate in the top two percent of her university courses, sit a three-day written test about higher levels of governance and social policy, survive a week of oral interviews and then, if accepted, move straight to a village on the edge of Taklamakan Desert and promised their first promotion when they raise the villagers' median income 50%. (That's how Xi got his first promotion).
Recommended reading: "Blame of Rape Victims and Perpetrators in China: The Role of Gender, Rape Myth Acceptance, and Situational Factors" by Ziyi Li and Yong Zheng, Southwest University in Chongqing.
The difference between a great man and women is that a great man never asks for validation, he just does what he wills. If you want to see the emergence of a female Elon Musk, you need to accept that that kind exceptionalism DOESNT make itself dependent upon “social acceptance”.
You have just proved my point excellently. The fact that you think the success of Elon Musk came as a result of begging for validation is the problem I’m pointing out… he didn’t beg for validation to achieve success, he achieved success and was therefore validated. In other words… HE EARNED IT.
I know that’s probably quite a foreign concept to you, regardless, it’s self-evidently the truth.
Assuming much about a stranger on the internet, immediately getting emotional, making the argument personal, deifying a billionaire…not going to be a rational conversation I fear
Getting “emotional”? I made an argument that I deemed to be rational. I love the impulse of feminists to call any man who deigns to disagree with them “emotional”; it’s revealing both of the hypocrisy and tendency to project found commonly in feminists… I’m sorry you couldn’t be the exception to that rule.
I would probably call that 3 sentences, but I accept the semi-colon makes it a little ambiguous.
The first sentence is fine, except that it defines "patriarchal" or "partiarchal society", rather than "patriarchy", and I think the latter is genuinely more difficult to define well.
The second clause adds something by emphasising that this can be self-reinforcing. There's a slight grammatical problem at the end- it should either end "authoritative in speech", or be a bit longer: "domans, are more deserving of deference, and speak with more authority".
I'm not as keen on sentence two, though. It's a bit weasely- "may", and also everyone likes to be respected, and the majority of men (or women) don't get much respect from society as a whole anyway, and most people (men and women) aren't particularly aggressive. I mean, I think it probably is true that men are more aggressive in speech (and otherwise) than women on average, but I think that has more to do with biology than culture, and therefore doesn't really fit well into a definition of "patriarchy".
a. I agree with you, who cares about degrees if you don't have status?
b. I mean, yes, prisoners have status beliefs, but they are more or less at the bottom of society. Is it not possible for men to overrepresented at the top *and* bottom and, if so, does that complicate your construct?
c. The welfare-status thing is a real tradeoff at the bottom of society. Would most people trade welfare for status? Many young men mutilated themselves in Vietnam-era America to avoid the draft, and others fled, just as Russian men flee Russia today to avoid fighting in Ukraine.
d. I kind of wonder about this one; I wonder if the pressure to behave in a more traditionally 'feminine' way in our modern, increasingly degendered society is harming boys who would prefer to be 'masculine' as well. (The converse has to be true for 'masculine' versus 'feminine' girls, of course.) The question boils down to whether you think any intrinsic tendency for boys to be 'masculine' and girls 'feminine' exists, to which I am guessing you would answer 'no'. (Even if so the effect size may be small enough that trying to equalize gender stereotypes helps more boys and girls than it hurts; this is hard to answer definitively.)
The thing distinctively missing from your definition is age (though you almost noted it with junior vs senior). A "patriarch" is a father, and he is supposed to have authority over his sons even once they are married and have children of their own. Nuclear families undermine patriarchal clan structures.
Male vs female lawyers going for partner- men on average put in far more billable hours. In defending itself from Damone’s firing lawsuit,Google found some over paying of the few female coders. I flatly do not believe in equal coding ability, unlike my belief in equal piano or violin playing. Guitar playing talent might be equal, but hours practicing hugely skew for guys. The male Bell curves have lower peaks and longer tails, so more at top & bottom. Biggest social problem is too few male 6-12 grade teachers, seldom mentioned, nor here.
"Male-majority industries continue to discriminate against women. In Silicon Valley this year, women repeatedly detailed how male programmers were given the benefit of the doubt, while their codes were endlessly scrutinised. They were presumed incompetent."
Do you have examples for that? I read reports that it's hard to prove anti-women bias in STEM.
"Again, it’s important to distinguish between welfare and cultural status."
This was spot on.
Excellent article!
"Chinese women are thriving in business, but are still blamed for their own rapes. “Most victims of sexual assault have failed to protect themselves adequately. Women must remember that flies do not bite an uncracked egg” - declares the He Nan government (Zheng 2022). Totaliarianism has suppressed feminist dissent, entrenched impunity for male violence, and perpetuated rape myths. Ashamed women suffer in silence, sometimes turning to suicide”.??
Feminist dissent is alive and well in China, and far healthier than our own version.
Mao first came to public attention as a teenager, when he wrote a heartbreaking account of a local girl's decision to kill herself rather than marry a rich neighbor. The 1954 constitution, which he drafted, stipulated equality of men and women. The following year he promoted the first female combat major general in history (and she earned it!). He was always nagging his colleagues about women's status.
Today, the gals are fine. Those 3 million missing girls have been found when a nationwide Education Ministry headcount revealed 3 million more girls than were registered at the records office. Everyone just shrugged and moved on.
Politics? No sane mother, let alone grandmother, wants her daughter on the political leadership track. To get onto the track, she must graduate in the top two percent of her university courses, sit a three-day written test about higher levels of governance and social policy, survive a week of oral interviews and then, if accepted, move straight to a village on the edge of Taklamakan Desert and promised their first promotion when they raise the villagers' median income 50%. (That's how Xi got his first promotion).
Recommended reading: "Blame of Rape Victims and Perpetrators in China: The Role of Gender, Rape Myth Acceptance, and Situational Factors" by Ziyi Li and Yong Zheng, Southwest University in Chongqing.
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/361738957_Blame_of_Rape_Victims_and_Perpetrators_in_China_The_Role_of_Gender_Rape_Myth_Acceptance_and_Situational_Factors
You may want to delve a little deeper into the actual circumstance of Chinese women before saying
The difference between a great man and women is that a great man never asks for validation, he just does what he wills. If you want to see the emergence of a female Elon Musk, you need to accept that that kind exceptionalism DOESNT make itself dependent upon “social acceptance”.
Elon Musk doesn’t beg for validation? I’m not sure you could have dreamed of a worse example, lol.
You have just proved my point excellently. The fact that you think the success of Elon Musk came as a result of begging for validation is the problem I’m pointing out… he didn’t beg for validation to achieve success, he achieved success and was therefore validated. In other words… HE EARNED IT.
I know that’s probably quite a foreign concept to you, regardless, it’s self-evidently the truth.
Assuming much about a stranger on the internet, immediately getting emotional, making the argument personal, deifying a billionaire…not going to be a rational conversation I fear
Getting “emotional”? I made an argument that I deemed to be rational. I love the impulse of feminists to call any man who deigns to disagree with them “emotional”; it’s revealing both of the hypocrisy and tendency to project found commonly in feminists… I’m sorry you couldn’t be the exception to that rule.
Does defining patriarchy in a single sentence count?
https://lorenzofromoz.substack.com/p/patterns-of-patriarchy
I would probably call that 3 sentences, but I accept the semi-colon makes it a little ambiguous.
The first sentence is fine, except that it defines "patriarchal" or "partiarchal society", rather than "patriarchy", and I think the latter is genuinely more difficult to define well.
The second clause adds something by emphasising that this can be self-reinforcing. There's a slight grammatical problem at the end- it should either end "authoritative in speech", or be a bit longer: "domans, are more deserving of deference, and speak with more authority".
I'm not as keen on sentence two, though. It's a bit weasely- "may", and also everyone likes to be respected, and the majority of men (or women) don't get much respect from society as a whole anyway, and most people (men and women) aren't particularly aggressive. I mean, I think it probably is true that men are more aggressive in speech (and otherwise) than women on average, but I think that has more to do with biology than culture, and therefore doesn't really fit well into a definition of "patriarchy".
a. I agree with you, who cares about degrees if you don't have status?
b. I mean, yes, prisoners have status beliefs, but they are more or less at the bottom of society. Is it not possible for men to overrepresented at the top *and* bottom and, if so, does that complicate your construct?
c. The welfare-status thing is a real tradeoff at the bottom of society. Would most people trade welfare for status? Many young men mutilated themselves in Vietnam-era America to avoid the draft, and others fled, just as Russian men flee Russia today to avoid fighting in Ukraine.
d. I kind of wonder about this one; I wonder if the pressure to behave in a more traditionally 'feminine' way in our modern, increasingly degendered society is harming boys who would prefer to be 'masculine' as well. (The converse has to be true for 'masculine' versus 'feminine' girls, of course.) The question boils down to whether you think any intrinsic tendency for boys to be 'masculine' and girls 'feminine' exists, to which I am guessing you would answer 'no'. (Even if so the effect size may be small enough that trying to equalize gender stereotypes helps more boys and girls than it hurts; this is hard to answer definitively.)
The thing distinctively missing from your definition is age (though you almost noted it with junior vs senior). A "patriarch" is a father, and he is supposed to have authority over his sons even once they are married and have children of their own. Nuclear families undermine patriarchal clan structures.