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Béatrice's avatar

I love how you present things very simply, in the form of stylized facts that are so stark, simple and coherent that they can't really be argued with. Thanks for this piece!!

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Dominic Elson's avatar

Useful article and some very interesting examples. We have found similar stories in work we have done in Cambodia, Timor-Leste, Indonesia and PNG (that last one is a special case, and not in a good way). It’s interesting that in the Philippines, where gender equality has made good progress, male-centric gender norms still predominate. The status there is a bit different from your examples : men are very happy to see women in high status positions, as long as their social/cultural status remains subordinate to men. (I’m over-simplifying, of course).

When working with rural communities we often do time-studies, whereby men and women keep a timesheet for a few days. We then get together and share the results. In West Papua, we found out that women are full time busy between about 5am to 11pm (often more than this, as “getting up in night to feed baby, douse fire, shoo away dog etc.” are all apparently activities barely worth mentioning!). Meanwhile, men struggled to account for more than about 6 hours of their day. Unlike your example, men regarded “sitting about” (nongkrong) as a meritorious activity, because that’s where “important stuff” gets discussed. What stuff? Well, er, football, outboard motors and hunting.

What was interesting was that the men in no way denigrated the work of the women in household reproduction. On the contrary, they absolutely admitted that the women are doing the more important work, and a lot more of it than men. But their view was: that’s the way it should be! Women do work that is regarded as highly important, yet (as you explain well) lower status than sitting around smoking and reviewing the starting line up for FC Persipura’s next match.

Although the workshop session of revealing the time sheets was superficially good humoured, and the men were a bit shamefaced (and they admitted to learning more about the secret world of women), there was an edge to it: the women were seething.

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