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gwern's avatar

Much of this sounds like it is simply a matter of timelags. This reminds me of the old debate about 'why is the USA so religious for its level of development? did free market in religion foster selection for uber-religions or something compared to Europe?' It's an old debate now, rather than a current debate, because it turns out US religion has been plummeting for a while and it no longer looks like such an anomaly. It just took time.

Even at the same level of per capita GDP, it takes *time* for any cultural effects to happen and cause convergence, as older generations are replaced slowly no matter how high or low the GDP. For example, South Korea: most of the elderly people in South Korea grew up when South Korean development looked more like subsaharan Africa level than anything like a First World country. Whereas for the USA, that was literally centuries ago. (If you are 80 in SK right now, then you were growing up in 1943-1963 - so literally during the WWII colonization by Japan and then the Korean War. You would have to go back, I think, to, like, the 1700s to find a USA with development equivalent to SK in 1943.) So it is no surprise if SK culture is far more conservative than it 'should' be at its current GDP! That's what happens when you go, within 3 generations, from one of the poorest to richest countries in the world. If you follow SK issues, you can see this massive generational shift at play in their current feminism culture war, where it's gotten very ugly because of the profound rift between 1940s thinking and 2020s thinking. Meanwhile, in Japan, the situation is not ideal but it's substantially more feminist (with a much higher birth rate too); one notes that it's been developed higher for much longer and it had parallel clashes in more like... the Taishō era, over a century ago.

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Amaan's avatar

What about Scandinavian countries? They are collectivists as well but have much better gender relations as compared to America which is similarly rich.

Also, why trust in government institutions is so high in Scandinavian countries? While it’s low in other countries of both high and low trust societies.

Is it because of their government system? (Proportional representation instead of first past the post thus leading to more civil political discourse)?

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