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Jeff Rigsby's avatar

The next step would be figuring out what causes cultures to change their preferred level of hierarchy.

If you've seen a Strindberg play or the Ingmar Bergman film "Cries and Whispers" it seems clear that nineteenth-century Sweden was an extremely formal, class-bound society. Men used to be addressed by their titles ("Engineer Andersson"... although that's a bad example because Andersson is a "common" surname and successful men were sometimes pressured to change their names to something more aristocratic), which is something the rest of us only do for physicians and PhDs. And up until a government-led reform in the 1960s, spoken Swedish had a complex, Japanese-style menu of social registers:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Du-reformen

All of this changed because Swedes consciously decided to become very egalitarian. But why did they do that?

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I don't know about this one. First of all I am always very very skeptical of claims in which good things go hand in hand together. But let me state my case.

I know this is a qualitative analysis but there is too much selective analysis and honestly wrong understanding of culture. Following are some of the problem I have:

1.) Jante Law is very much synonymous with a collectivist outlook which in your previous post you considered a detrimental to gender equality. Also Japanese work culture is very much consensus seeking where you can talk to your boss very much freely and has been for a long time. this is not true for how promotion works but there work culture is certainly more open.

2.)Why would Korean's personal consumption be geared towards achieving more status when generally in a collectivist and hierarchical you are not supposed to show off your status: a fact certainly true for Japan.

3.) Now I can argue against the claim that Confucius culture promote hierarchy but my objection here is if I accept the premise about Confucius values being more deferential to hierarchy than why does China(origin of Confucius values) have such a better female representation than SK and Japan in both senior management and in politics despite still having in some sense way worse sexist attitudes.

I have few other objections. But the last point I want to draw attention to isn't any disagreement i have but the simple widely agreed upon point that project of gender equality is a multi generation one and is not as rapid as economic progress in best of circumstances. Hence the secret of Scandinavian success is that due to geographical closeness to UK(birthplace of enlightenment) they just have a early start on countries like SK, Japan. Nigeria, etc.

I am really not trying to be mean or aggressive or dismissive here. Just not agreeing with the analysis.

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